PDA

View Full Version : Re-incarnation - Flaws?



J-Raviv
11-12-2009, 05:41 AM
Hey. :) Lately, my class and I have been exploring world religions, and one of them really has me questioning… Today, I asked one of the billions of questions I had on Buddhism and it sparked the biggest of debates, and I’m curious on your views on it.

So, some background. A Buddha – one who has reached Enlightenment and therefore Nirvana. It is said that you are re-incarnated every life until you reach Enlightenment.

Now, what puzzled me was the Dalai Lama. He is said to be the re-incarnation of Buddha, correct? That’s what I thought, and my Buddhist friends confirmed. It is speculated that he is the actual re-incarnation, though there is no definite way to prove it.

So here is the question: How can the Dalai Lama be the re-incarnate of Buddha if Buddha reached Enlightenment and ceased the process of re-incarnation?

For me, it doesn’t make sense, not one bit. If Buddha reached Enlightenment, then the process would end, and his state of mind would be in Nirvana, making him un-able to be re-incarnated, yet apparently, he is. We’re currently on the 14th Dalai Lama.

And, to further my curiosity, if even the Dalai Lama is the re-incarnation of any Buddha, on what grounds can we prove the re-incarnate is a male, or human, for that matter. Now I am no Buddhist, but I do know that they did not believe re-incarnation to be limited to the life of a human being. A person can be re-incarnated to a butterfly, assuming it’s possible. Yet, for each of the Dalai Lama’s re-incarnations, each has been human, and male. I believe females do play a major role in Buddhism, that they can attain high ranks, but why hasn’t any been found as a re-incarnate of Buddha or the Dalai Lama?

Now, again, I’m no Buddhist. My IB Studies made us do a unit on world religions, and while not all the others are clear, I found major flaws in this one. Does anyone have any clarification? Neither any of the presenters, my Buddhist friends, or teachers could find a reasonable explanation.

Emile
11-12-2009, 05:47 AM
WOW, complicated stuff. I, personally, am a christian. I do still look at other religions openly, but some, like Buddhism, are really confusing a contradict each other. I personally dont have an answer, to what seems to be a major question, but what you also need to remember is that some religion are, say, incorrect. (Not meaning to offend anyone here.)

BlueTango
11-12-2009, 06:54 AM
Religion is based on trust. Buddhists are Buddhists because they have trust and faith in Buddha. Of course there will never be ways to prove certains things about religion (e.g does god exist?)... But that's why Christians are Christians (they believe he does) and atheists are not (they dont). Same with Buddhism.

Emile
11-12-2009, 07:08 AM
Actually, yeah that is a good, despite whatever religion you belong to there are always flaws and they only way to get past that is to put your faith into what you believe in.

Flow
12-12-2009, 10:01 PM
very complicated stuff, im not religious myself but i think i beileve in re-incarnation well i more hope that its true.

Rachel
14-12-2009, 10:02 PM
Religon is complicated, but interesting.
I could find 38478437837264 flaws in any religon whether you're christian, hindu, scientologist, jewish etc..

I am agnostic. I accept my own ideas about god and religon and overall we're never going to know exactly who is a god, or even if there is one.

To some degree, every religon says things that make sense.
Religon is how we as individuals feel collectively.
For instance in buddhism - Karma
What goes around comes around.

OH and before you all REALLY annoy me
Buddhist = Name for someone who follows buddhism
Buddha= Founder of Buddhist religon. PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW BUDDHISM AREN'T BUDDHA'S!!!!!!!
(Sorry, its one of my pet hates)

DANNY
14-12-2009, 10:37 PM
I'm Buddha... ;)

Emile
15-12-2009, 02:57 AM
LOL, Hes a reincarnation of buddha :D

Keir
17-12-2009, 10:01 PM
There are flaws with every religion.

Murdoc
19-12-2009, 07:28 PM
My nickname is Budha! =]

I am atheist. I don't choose a religion because I find that there are too many flaws in every religion to really believe in any of them. But evolution has scientific facts supporting it so..

J-Raviv
19-12-2009, 07:30 PM
Rachel, people that reach Enlightenment become Buddhas.
Siddhartha Gutoma or w/e founded the religion.

DANNY
19-12-2009, 07:43 PM
The Dalai Lama is a lineage of religious officials of the Gelug sect of Tibetan Buddhism. "Lama" is a general term referring to Tibetan Buddhist teachers. In religious terms, the Dalai Lama is believed by his devotees to be the rebirth of a long line of tulkus who descend from the bodhisattva Avalokiteśvara. Traditionally, His Holiness is thought of as the latest reincarnation of a series of spiritual leaders who have chosen to be reborn in order to enlighten others.

Quite self-explanatory, really.

J-Raviv
19-12-2009, 07:45 PM
Quite self-explanatory, really.

Ye, I found the answer minutes before I posted. I just thought it curious.
The tulka.

Murdoc
21-12-2009, 08:49 AM
Quite self-explanatory, really.

How is that self-explanatory? I had to read it like five times to understand it!

GrownLow
23-12-2009, 09:46 AM
Rachel, people that reach Enlightenment become Buddhas.
Siddhartha Gutoma or w/e founded the religion.

no.

Siddhartha Gutoma or whatever IS became buddha.

Once you reach Enlightenment, you have just reach enlightenment, or nirvana.