Habbo Hut Radio TOTALLY ILLEGAL ?

[samlupton]

Does this "Radio Station" have the correct licencing to be broadcasting copyrighted music material on the internet. ? I believe the answer to this question is no for a number of reasons ;


1.These lincences cost up to £2000 for one month, i doubt that the managers of this fansite will be able to fund that cost.

2. If you did have a licence you would be required to display the licencing company (PPL and / or MCPS) logo on your site, there is no company logo on the site.

3.The station is not listen on any legal site directory !

It is ILLEGAL to broadcast copyrighted music (Any music available through record sales or download sites) across the internet without a licence or written permission from the copyright holders (The artists or record company). Some people argue that if you use programs such as shoutcast and Oddcast to broadcast you dont need this licence, you do ! Shoutcast and other services like it only supply a streaming service, they do not cover your broadcasting licence.

If you are broadcasting without a licence you can get fined up to £5000 or even prison. I suggest you aquire these licences or crease broadcasting copyrighted material on this station. If you require more information on licences and legal broadcasting information please contact me via sam@offthechartradio.co.uk . Or visit the licence authority websites at http://www.ppluk.com/ or http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/ for more legal information on internet radio broadcasting and to get a internet broadcasting licence.

It isnt long before the licencing companies discover this live stream and shut the station down. i'm trying to help you guys hear, please use this advice wisley.

Yours

Sam Lupton

[Josh]

If this WAS illegal it would not still be up & running for the 4 years of broadcasting !! <Is it 4 years ?>

[OmegaMan]

I doubt you've worked in professional business if you can't spell professional correctly. Or numerous other simple words....

We do appreciate your concern, but we are completely aware of all broadcasting laws and have the proper jurisdiction to be broadcasting. As long as you don't make money, which we don't, then a license is not required.

For example, here is yahoo's free music video sharing site. You will notice the absence of just about everything you mentioned above. GO and try to take down Yahoo, a corporate giant, and then come and complain about our legality.

[djtruefitt]

habbohuts server is in canada, so Yes i think the licence is to do with canada, thats why Becs is incharge and lots of ca things happen with it.

[Enom]

Trying to turn this thread into a good thread..

I think this is a very good thread for those wanting to start online radio's too so they can work out whether its legal to just setup a shoutcast server one day and start "DJ'ing". I seem to be reading a variety of different things. Personally, I feel the copyrght/music industry is not going to shut down Kids fan sites making no profit as that will give themselfs a very bad name, however I am busting my brains over this. Someone said "A license is required if you are a company making a profit".. However, profit or not, if you created a song and someone else took it and broadcasted it over the internet for free, wouldn't you be annoyed?

In the UK I looked up the copyright laws and infact this applies to Europe. I know this is not anything to do with Canada, but this may help those based in the UK :-

A copyright is given automatically to all music and literatures you make, even if this is not noted as copyright at the time. A copyright restricts the ability:

to copy the work

to issue copies of the work to the public

to rent or lend the work to the public

to perform, show or play the work in public

to communicate the work to the public*

to make an adaptation of the work or do any of the above in relation to an adaptation

*includes broadcasting, broadcasting on demand and use of music on the Internet
interactive services, including satellite and cable transmissions.

No-one can authorise any of the above acts without the copyright owner’s permission.

Generally the author of a work (described in the Act as the ‘person who creates it’) is the first owner of any copyright in the work. However, since copyright is a form of property, the author can transfer the whole or part of his copyright in a work to another party (such as PRS or a publisher), so the author of the work is not necessarily the copyright owner.

Therefore, I suggest that running online radios is illegal, but it isn't doing the music industry much harm, infact probably more good as it prevents peeps downloading music illegally and encourages their artists songs! Hence why many online radio's still run without being shutdown, so on that note.. Anyone complaining about it being illegal, I doubt your complaint will go any further than the junkmail of copyright owners, if your lucky!

I hope this helps,

James

[djtruefitt]

its been brought up before that they do have a licence, and its to do with Canada lawas, because they are based in Canada and the server is in canada, I mean other wise why would famous people go to Habbo and talk on habbohut? Ill try get in touch with wormatty and get him to say something.

[Jamie]

Baile has basically made the point and so have alot of people in this thread. HabboHut Radio is a legal station. Would recording artists jeporside there future by beeing intervieweded on an illegal stream?

All the DJ's buy there music legally so only legally obtained music is played on the air

You are not allowed to give out email adresses on the board anyway so the MOD's will come down on you for that

HabboHuts server is in canada and i think falls under Canidan Law. I suppouse worMatty will check this thread out eventually

[worMatty]

The HabboHut server is located in Canada which has no laws against broadcasting copyrighted material on the internet.

Thank you for your offer of assistance, Sam. Please don't take the comments of the users seriously, they do not speak for this organisation and only one of them had the sense to notify me of this thread. They are kids, after all.

And in reply to the comments of those that said 'I don't think kids broadcasting music will be shut down', you are mistaken, as those are some of the groups that will be targeted the most.

[TCBSGirl]

The HabboHut server is located in Canada which has no laws against broadcasting copyrighted material on the internet.

that's why we can download music right?

[ProSpider]

^^ I believe your not allowed to download music and play it.

But Canadians like me, are allowed to download and listen to copyrighted music. Joy.

[djtruefitt]

if it is legaly owned you can play it, As if its nor legaly downloaded, you are playing music that isnt yours. think thats worldwide law

[Skids2020]

Yes well your breaking a copyright just by putting it on your computer and burning a disk of the CD because the record compaines aren't making money when you do that and thats why Napster had to shut down in the first place was because of that...AND if you want to be that technical...go to Habbaz and all the other radio stations that stream copyrighted music and post it on there too...

[agifofo]

that's why we can download music right?

Just because HabboHut is hosted in canada doesent mean you can download copyrighted music.
All you do is listen to it. Its like this
"I am listening to Habbohut"
"now that gives me random power to download and listen to copyrightes music!"
"*Downloads*"

[Skids2020]

Just because HabboHut is hosted in canada doesent mean you can download copyrighted music.
All you do is listen to it. Its like this
"I am listening to Habbohut"
"now that gives me random power to download and listen to copyrightes music!"
"*Downloads*"

lmao...hey save some bandwith for me to download copyrighted music...lol

[Pennymandude]

in canada, it is legal to download copyrighted music, using say, something like '********' or 'Kazaa', it is not legally obtained, so it cannot be played on the air, when however you rip songs from cds onto your computer = legally obtained, it may be played on the air, there I just said what everybody else is saying, just to bring it up again, maybe someone will read it this time

[:.:Numark:.:]

i could probably base the server on my mums lower school servers and it wold be Legal to stream becuase most schools (like this one) has a License to play music at discos and in assemblys etc...

Its like these organisations saying: 'Right Schools are no longer allowed to play music at discos or assembleys' - No that is just stupid!

[worMatty]

I doubt it.

[Flaxion]

Well. Many of you are talking about that Canada has some sort of law that its okay to stream music without paying anything.

Uhm. I have to be honest and say that I dont believe it. I tried to call KODA which controls the licenses in Denmark (I'm from denmark so...) and he told me that Canada doesn't have a law like that.

I want to see a link to a goverment website where I can see this law. Its not only good for you to do because of me, my opinion about this wont ever have any effect on what is going to happen with your radio, but there are LOTS of people that thinks that HabboHut is "totally illegal" and is that a good roumer to have?

Good, then please go get this link so your roumer can be better.

[worMatty]

Hi, Flaxion.

There is no law that says it's okay to stream music. We can stream music because it is not disallowed by Canadian law.

I can assure you that HabboHut's operation is legal. It's been checked out by Sulake.

[Flaxion]

Hi, Flaxion.

There is no law that says it's okay to stream music. We can stream music because it is not disallowed by Canadian law.

I can assure you that HabboHut's operation is legal. It's been checked out by Sulake.

Cool.

Well. I own one of the most popular danish fansites, and I'm thinking about getting a radio to the site, but there are laws against it in denmark. But then I thought.. If I get an canadian server it should be the canadian laws that counts.. Like a danish tv-channel did when denmark got a law against poker advertising...